accounts over the years:
- Payne as Pagan
- Paynes in Suffolk
- Payne’s Armory of Jersey
- Payne Family Linkages Through DNA
- Captain Jack Payne and Rene Payne
- Thomas Paine of Thetford
- Paynes and Payne House in Harbour Grace, Newfoundland
- Paynes in Newfoundland Today
Payne as Pagan
Payne in his 1996 book The Paynes of Virginia quoted a number
of older sources in giving the name Payne Norman and pagan origins:
of Norman origin and are believed to be descended from men who, at the
time that Rollo became a Christian in 912 AD, refused to be baptized
and hence were distinguished by the name ” paganus” or ” le
payen.” The name was thus applied as a soubriquet and does not
Paynes in Suffolk
The family of Sir Thomas Payne removed themselves from Market
Bosworth in Leicestershire to Suffolk, near Bury St. Edmunds where they
became the bailiffs of Hengrave for the Duke of Buckingham.
Albert W. Paine in his 1881 book Paine Genealogy –
Ipswich Branch related the following:
“William Payne was a man of much
note and importance in his day, being in the service of Edward
Stafford, Duke of Buckingham, as bailiff for his manor at Hengrave. In
1521 the Duke, having been convicted of conspiring against King Henry
VIII, was put to death. The office thus becoming
vacant by the death of the Duke, Payne lost his place as deputy and was
obliged to retire to private life. The Duke’s
successor, however, appointed Payne’s son Henry to the office held by
Henry Payne profited from Henry VIII’s dissolution of the
monasteries and acquired the manor of Nowton and other properties
belonging to the dissolved monastery of St. Edmund.
Payne’s Armory of
of Jersey was published in 1859 by J. Bertrand Payne.
The book contains many family trees, coats of arms, information
on families’ origins, and the part prominent members have played in the
history of the island.
outfit GENUKI has commented that the work is “not as accurate as it
could have been. The publisher relied on
submissions from the families represented who paid to appear.” A
major failing was that Payne adopted a strange policy of anglicizing
virtually all personal names, using John for Jean, Mary for Marie,
Philip for Philippe, etc. at a time when Jersey was a French-speaking
island and virtually every child was baptized with a French name.
Payne Family Linkages Through DNA
to 1650, several families bearing the surname Payne settled in the
English colonies. DNA test results have suggested
that the English Payne families of Suffolk, Huntingdonshire and Jersey
in the Channel Islands, were members of one family.
Members of the Suffolk branch settled in Massachusetts, represented by
William and Hannah Paine. William was known to have had dealings
on Virginia’s Eastern Shore with friends and kinsmen of the Payne
family of Westmoreland county, Virginia. Sir Robert Payne,
MP for Huntingdonshire in the early 1600’s, is believed
to have been the father of John Payne the immigrant there.
Members of the Jersey Payn family settled at St. Kitt’s around the year
1654. Other members of this Jersey family settled
in Virginia and Maryland. In Virginia, the brothers Ralph
and Thomas Payne settled on the Northern Neck between the Potomac and
Rappahannock rivers where they were also associated with
the family of John Payne.
Captain Jack Payne and Rene Payne
There was said to have been a family connection
between the Jersey Paynes, then resident in Bedfordshire, and the
Paynes in Northamptonshire. This connection came to
light when Captain Jack Payne, acting for the Prince of Wales in the
matter of his marriage to Mrs. Fitzherbert, approached Rene Payne, a
banker from Northamptonshire, to intervene in this matter.
Reports at the time suggested a kinship between the two Payne families.
One source has it that George Payne of the Northamptonshire branch
became the guardian of Little George Payne who was in fact the
illegitimate son of the Prince of Wales and Mrs. Fitzherbert.
Thomas Paine of Thetford
In the church register of Euston parish near Thetford occurs
Cocke were married June 20th.”
were the parents of Thomas Paine. The rector
of Euston church has said that the name written was clearly Pain.
But in the Thetford town records of that time it was officially
entered as Paine. Both Paine and Cocke were in fact notable name
in Norfolk history at that time.
Paynes and Payne House of Harbour Grace, Newfoundland
Payne House in Harbour Grace was built in 1856 by John and Rachel Payne
and, because it survived the fire of 1944 which destroyed much of the
downtown area and because it remained essentially unaltered, it is a
very good representative of its period. With its
original twelve-pane windows, door and window surrounds, it is the best
preserved of a row of houses all dating from about the same time.
Hutchinson’s Trade Directory
of 1864 showed a number of Paynes living in Harbour Grace at that time:
- George Payne, revenue boat
- John Payne, manager of works
- John Payne, fisherman
- Nicholas Payne, storekeeper
- Nicholas Payne, overseer of oil works
- Robert Payne, fisherman
- William Payne, fisherman.
Paynes in Newfoundland Today
years ago we spent the
summer in the Canadian Maritimes including 22 days in Newfoundland. I had read the area was settled by Paynes.
stopped in a very small town of Parsons Pond, Newfoundland (about 300
noticed a Payne’s Grocery and Payne’s Hardware. At the grocery we
to a pub where we met many Paynes. We
found everyone in the area was either a Payne or had Payne blood.
Later in Newfoundland we stopped in another
very small town and I looked at their phone directory. It
was about 20 pages thick and the Payne listing
took four of those pages. I talked to
the woman who owned the campground where we were staying and she was a
Payne. She told me to take a boat trip to
town because everyone there was a Payne.
It was an interesting trip. I
have no idea how many Paynes live in Newfoundland, but I’m sure it is
in the thousands.
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